yesterday i attended a religious event at ASU
"toons & tunes - religion an be humorous"
as i was going home i saw a large brightly lit christian
cross on i think what is named tempe butte, which is just
north of the tempe police station and just west of
sun devil stadium. maybe jesus christ the savior of
the christians caused me to see it. or the other
hand perhaps zeus, odin, apollo, or the even the
easter fairy caused me to see the cross. i get those
regilous dietys all mixed up and never know which
one is currently micro-managing my life.
i beleive the mountain or butte the christian crss
is on is property owned by the city of tempe. can you
if the christian cross is on property owned by the
city of tempe why was the christian cross put
up there? and who is paying for it and the lighting?
in the past i have noticed that you put up on the
same mountain or butte images of the wise men that
followed a star to the birth of the baby krishna.
the wise men gave the baby krishna gifts. krishna
is the savior of the hindu religion. he was born
to a virgin mother and died to save man from his
sins. krishna is the savior of mankind. the christians
also have a fable about wise men following a
star to the birth of their christ who was allegedly
born 800 to 1800 years after krishna. both the
words krishna and christ mean "the annointed one".
for that matter the christian god jesus christ is
pretty much a carbon copy clone of the hindu god
krishna. (a good book on this is "The Christ" by
can you tell me who is putting these hindu/christian
wisemen on the tempe mountain? also who is paying
for the deal?
the christian bible in Lev 20:10-13 demands that
homosexuals be stoned to death. neil giuliano i
understand you are a homosexual. how can you
possiblely let the city of tempe endorse a religion
that says homosexuals should be stoned to death?
for that matter i cant see how the city of tempe
could endorse the christian religion which is a
pretty barbaric religion. in Lev 20:10 and
Deuteronomy 22:19-25 the bible also says adulters
should be stoned to death. and in Deut 21:18-21
the bible demands that disobedient children be
stoned to death. and anyone who commits
blasphemy the bible says should be stoned to death
in Lev 24:16 Lev 24:10-11,13-14,2.
are only christians allowed to put up things
to honor their dietys on your tempe mountain?
does the city of tempe forbid people who are
not christians from putting up things to honor
their dietys on your tempe butte?
would it possible for people who are in a satan
cult to put up a copy of satan on te tempe
butte? or is this a christian only thing?
if your not christan keep out of tempe?
is the first amendment null and void in tempe?
Congress shall make no law respecting
an establishment of religion,
is Article 2 Section 12 of the arizona constitution
null and void in tempe? ie:
No public money or property shall be
appropriated for or applied to any
religious worship, exercise, or
instruction, or to the support of
any religious establishment.
please answer per A.R.S. Section 39-121.
four months ago in march after going to the
steve benson dan barker toons gig "religion can
be funny" at ASU as i was going home i saw a
large christian cross on the tempe butte which
is owned by the city of tempe. the city also allows
christians to put up the 3 wize men on the
butte during christmas time every year. and it puts
up the cross on the tempe butte during easter.
since this is a clear violation of both the arizona
constitution and the federal constitutions which
demand seperation of church and state i complained
to the city of tempe several times. it tooks the
jerks 4 months to give me an answer.
the violation is that the city of tempe is giving
the christians land to use rent free to place their
religious symbols on during the christian holidays
of christmas and easter.
my goal is to force the city to stop the pratice
1) force the city of tempe to stop allowing
the christians to display
their religious symbols on the mountain
for free. if the city rents them the
butte and charges them the fair market
value of the land that would be acceptable
this would probably eliminate the practice
because the city could not say "only christians
are allowed to rent the butte, atheists and
businesses are not allowed to rent the butte"
which means pepsi, kmart, ford and other business
would probably out bid the christians for the
im not sure but i suspect that any large
signs on the butte are in violation of tempe
zoning laws that govern advertizing.
2) force the city of tempe to stop allowing
the practice by putting up a symbol that is
so offensive to the government leaders that
they would stop the whole thing. like those
atheists in salt lake city who stopped the
christians from praying at city council meetings
by forcing them to allow atheist prayers to
be read in addition to christian prayers.
im sure you all can come up with some good ideas
but here are a few of mine:
a marijuana leaf for ganja religion - im
sure this would be popular with many of
the party animals at ASU
a giant erect penis for the people who
worship the old ferility god peter.
a peace symbol for those of us who
are aginst the war in afgan with some
letters that say
BUSH IS A WAR CRIMINAL
any number of atheist symbols or slogans
american atheist logo
wimpy humanist symbol
im sure the wiccans who are basicly
witches who worship mother nature have
a few symbols the city would find offensive.
or if we wanted to fight fire with fire we
could ask to put up a few quotes from the
bible. some of the quotes charlie smith(?)
read at the hearing in the house of representives
when we protested the 10 commandments
laws. the verses from the bible that them
christian house members were offended by.
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:24:00 -0700
From: Brad_Woodford@... ("Woodford, Brad")
Subject: Symbols on Butte
To: snail@... ("'snail@...'")
Cc: barb_carter@... ("Carter, Barbara")
From: Woodford, Brad
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 4:32 PM
To: Carter, Barbara
Cc: Richwine, Mark; Barbara Carter; Ben Arredondo; Dennis Cahill; Hugh
Hallman; Len Copple; Mark Mitchell; Neil Giuliano; Patrick Flynn; Randy
Gross; Will Manley
Subject RE: 2nd Request for public records per A.R.S. Section 39-121
I have been asked by members of the City Council to respond to your original
inquiry regarding symbols on Hayden Butte.
The City of Tempe's policies and procedures for erection of non-commercial
symbols upon Hayden Butte are as follows:
Private parties wishing to display symbols on the butte must obtain a
permit from the Community Services Department of the City of Tempe. All
expenses of the erection of the symbol, the symbol itself, and any
utilities required to power the symbol are provided by the private parties.
The only fee charged is for the use of utilities through a City utility
connection. The duration of the display is approved in the permit process,
however they must be erected in a safe manner. Symbols have been erected
for many years at various times but generally around holiday seasons.
You may obtain copies of the permits that have been issued by contacting
Mark Richwine @ 350-5325.
It is my opinion that the display of such symbols by private parties does
not violate either Federal or State constitutional or statutory law.
Tempe City Attorney
C. Brad Woodford
perhaps some atheists can help these folks
put up their cross, and get some information
on who they are.
every year during christmas and easter the city
of tempe violates both the U.s. and arizona
constitutions by allowing these christians
to put a cross during easter and some wise
men during christmas on Tempe butte
which is tempe government property.
i would like to file a lawsuit forcing the
city of tempe to stop this practice in which
city of tempe uses its government powers to
support and endorse the christian religion.
the article that follows was in todays
arizona republic and asks people to
help erect this chrisitan cross on
tempe butte this week end. tempe butte
is in downtown tempe, between mill avenue,
the salt river, ASU sun devil stadium,
and behind the tempe police station.
April 1, 2004
Volunteers are sought to place cross on butte
TEMPE - Volunteers are needed to help Friends
of Tempe BUtte put the giant cross on Tempe
Butte at 6 a.m. Saturday. Volunteers should
meet outside the First Congregational Church
of Tempe, 101 E Sixth Street.
Tempe City Councilman Hut Hutson, who for two decades
has maintained a set of camels, Christmas tree and
other holiday decorations on the butte.
so i guess anybody can put a religious display on the
tempe buttes. well anybody who is also a tempe city
Cell phone left behind links man to vandalism
By Garin Groff, Tribune
January 31, 2006
Vandals have eluded justice for years after smashing
holiday decorations atop Hayden Butte, but this year’s
suspect wasn’t as lucky.
The man behind the damage this season all but gave his
name to authorities during the act by dropping his
cell phone on the butte’s rocky terrain, Tempe police
A detective called a handful of numbers on the phone
of Chris Snyder, a 24-yearold Phoenix resident, and
asked friends to have Snyder call them. He never did,
Tempe police Sgt. Dan Masters said.
A detective tracked Snyder down at an unrelated court
appearance last week, when the detective said he
“He stated he was intoxicated and emotionally upset at
that time,” Masters said.
Snyder faces a possible criminal damage charge. Police
haven’t arrested him yet because they’re waiting to
see if the act is a misdemeanor or a felony. The
severity depends on an estimate to repair the damage.
That issue is being researched by Councilman Hut
Hutson, who for two decades has maintained a set of
camels, Christmas tree and other holiday decorations
on the butte. He’s had to repair minor damage several
times over the years and estimated this work will cost
$2,000 to $3,000.
“That was the first time in 22 years that we had any
serious damage done,” Hutson said.
Hutson noticed the damage the night of Dec. 31, when
the normally illuminated camels had gone dark. He
hiked the butte Jan. 2 and found somebody had broken a
camel leg, smashed lights and torn the electrical
supply. Behind the middle camel was Snyder’s cell
Hutson gave police the phone when he filed a report.
Police got partial fingerprints, but it was phone
numbers that identified Snyder. Police tracked him
down Thursday by waiting for him to leave a scheduled
municipal court hearing.
Snyder could not be reached for comment.
Contact Garin Groff by email, or phone (480) 898-6554